Thursday, 5 January 2012

plus size sports bras By Kamali


Bella Ladies Racerback Sports Bra


Woman Within Plus Size Wirefree mesh sports bra


Freya Firm Control Soft Cup Sports Bra


Bali Women's Passion For Comfort Uw Bra,Brand

Danae, I can’t wait to see the great full figure bras we can find only online, for most of us, and simply try them on in local stores!
Especially since now that I need a 34J rather than a 36J, I ordered and received one of my favorite bras. When I tried it on, I got that crummy, squished double boob effect by simply wearing a smaller band size.
Yet my every day favorite Panache Tango II Super Bra fits perfect in its smaller band size. Which is just what you would think right? Yet not so my other favorite Panache Harmony bra, I am assuming it is just a quirk of that single bra I received, but now I will be reluctant to order it in a 34J.
It seems you must try each one on, to find out if it fits. There was a time in recent years when I, and judging from some reviews, for a time, other women, received Le Mystere’s Dream Tisha full fit bras with pointy cups. Then other women’s reviews, after that time got better, with no mention of pointy cups! I suppose mishaps will happen.
How nice it would be to simply hand it to the local department store’s bra fitter, explain one’s surprise at these problems and let her take it from there. That would be much better than bringing back to the post office, wondering whether to order it again, or not, in my new band size? Or should I try a larger cup size, or what?

Thank you Plus Size Sports bras! You are right! There are plenty of nice online stores that offer great style and prices! Her own, Plus Size Sports Bra, offers a good selection of Champion and other sports bras at excellent prices.
I still like the Enell sports bra, and find that now, until 11/30/09, using code 20shop at Bigger Bras, on orders of $75 you can get 2 of these excellent bras, if you order an in-stock one, or two. Then you can get 20% off them! They have all Enell sizes 0 to 8, or, (32C to 52DD), in stock, but you would have to order at least 2, or one, and something else. At Bigger Bras these great high compression sports bras are just $54, it is usually $60. Or you could just get one, yet use there code freeship to get it with paying for the shipping, (that offer is good on any orders over $25).
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Plus Size Bras and Danae’s comments were on this blog’s post of 10/26/09,
Knicker’s Americas denial of Larger 
 
Cup Size Bras has some good news for us full figured, and makes some good points.


Bigger Bras, so far, has the best price, because of their 10% discount code on the right of their pages, and the widest size ranges. These bras come in sizes 38 - 46 D; 36 - 46 DD; 36 - 44 E, F, FF, G; 34 - 44 GG; 34 - 42 H; 34 - 40 HH; 34 - 38 J at Bigger Bras!
Elomi Energise Underwire Sports Bra 8040
According to Bigger Bras handy size comparison chart at each bra’s description, Elomi’s cup sizes are comparable to Fantasie’s!

These underwire sports bras have won the voter’s 2010 Undies Award for Best Full Figure Sports Bras at Her Room! If you take this Elomi Energise Underwire Sports Bra 8040
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These bras are highly rated for comfort and support by women who wear large cup sizes, up to J and large band sizes, up to 46.

These bras have an unique 4 section cup. As one reviewer observed, the support from these bras comes from the body of the bra, not the straps. This takes a load of our shoulders.

Also, because these are Non-Compression sports bras, you not only get all day comfort I can not get from my Enell sports bra, (not even half a day, I assure you), you also get a nice shape!

You can try these bras today, with free shipping both ways, if need be, at Bare Necessities, but that offer ends today. Bigger Bras still has the best price and size range in these bras. They come in white and black colors at Bare Necessities, Figleaves and Bigger Bras so far. They are no good from low cut blouses, but the cooler weather is coming anyway.

I believe these bras are well worth trying, and as they actually come in my size, when my budget allows, or when I find them at a good price on eBay in my size I will try them.

Naturally, I had to look. These bras are $64 at the above-mentioned stores.
Today, new with tags, in my size, I can bid one for $63…
Here is a link to Elomi Energise sports bras, New with Tags
Where today, you can find, for example: sizes 44E, 46D, E and F, 44FF for $25 to $30, sizes 38 and 42GG at $39. Excellent Buy it Now, not bid, prices!


If you enjoy bidding, you could possibly get them for less! If you click on the link to these bras at eBay I provided, then look at the tabs to your left at the top of these bras listings, you will find a tab for Auction Only and one for All Items as well.

If you happen to be looking these one day and see one in a sizes 34HH to J
 
 

Enell- The Sports Bra That Can Reduce the Bouncing Of Your Breasts

Sports bras have been especially invented for well gifted women. Among full figured women, it may be challenging to find the right kind of support for their breasts when doing aerobics, running, and other high impact activities aside from the fact that bouncing breasts during exercise can get in the way of your goals; they can sometimes be embarrassing and a bit too painful.

Many of these sports bras are sold at department stores by the lingerie and women apparel section however; it’s not often that we get what we want out of these products. For one, manufacturing of sports bras that reduce bounce are really just for a handful of women with large breasts. Not to mention that large breasted and full figured women are not that many out there in the world. Sports bras on department stores normally sell them for generic measurements. So you don’t usually get the size that you want. And as you know, not all large breasted women have the same bra size and cup size which is a shame.

One product topping all other sports bras that reduce bounce is the Enell brand.

Enell sports bra has features that suit all the needs of well endowed women who live active lifestyles. It basically promises bounce reduction while providing the utmost comfort when worn. Aside from that, it also has moisture control, which only means that even if you sweat it out hard at the gym, you won’t get soaked up in perspiration. What an added bonus indeed, considering that Enell sports bras have wide straps to fully support your breasts without hurting your skin or shoulders.

In addition, Enell sports bras are well known for their durability due to the fabric content and make. So although you may spend a little more for when you first buy it, Enell sports bra will never let you down a few years later. Longer life is important since you only get to use sports bra perhaps during exercise or high impact activities which may possibly involve stretching, bouncing or moving around.

Enell sports bra, the leading brand among sports bras that reduce bounce also has a feature that makes it popular among women. And, as one website calls it, it’s a “no uni-boob” sports bra. It does not flatten your breasts at all, enhancing your full figure but not minimizing it down to flatness. Isn’t that what large breasted women want after all?

Check out for Enell brand of sports bras in your local department stores and you wouldn’t regret it. Better yet, give yourself more time on finding the right kind of sports bra. Look up for online stores that sell them. It is the most convenient way to do your sports bra shopping anyway.

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Product Description:


Glamorise Sport. Finally the ultimate full figure sports bra. Seamless Magiclift no-wire design offers great shaping, support and incredible comfort. Cup fabric wicks moisture away from the skin. Breathable open mesh design for cool comfort.Providing a sports support for the fuller figure, this Glamourise bra is designed with wide shoulder straps and without an underwire. The cross under and over construction allows for uplift and separation. It has a three-row, three-column back closure.


Product Features:
  • nylon, polyester, lycra
  • 75% Polyester, 20% Nylon, 5% Lycra Spandex
  • No underwire
  • Moisture wicking cup
  • Open mesh for ventilation
  • Adjustable, no-slip straps
Customer Reviews:
This has everything you'd want in a bra. Very supportive, comfortable, wide shoulder straps (important for larger cup sizes), moisture wicking, no seam cups. I don't bounce when I walk, but I prefer a maximum support sports bra when I go running. This is the bra I reach for everyday and I wish it came in beige. 
 

Until 11/30/09 you can get an 20% off plus size and large cup bras that are already marked down at Bigger Bras! Just see the details at the top right column. Click on that banner to select which kind of items are in stock and on sale you might want.
Here is what I found bra wise. Lots of higly rated Goddess bras, Panache large cup bras, Elomi and Le Mystere bras, like their Dream Tisha full fit t-shirt bras in, stock in sizes up to 34 to 44H, Already marked down to $58. As well as the lace version of it below
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In stock in sizes up to 34 and 36H, 38E, 40 to 42H, 44B to F.
They also have Aviana’s plus size minimizer bra below, in stock in sizes 34D to H, 36D to DDD, 38D to H, 40D – G, 42 - 44D to H and 46DD to G, marked down to $41.
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As well as other Aviana plus size bras, like their highly rated plus size soft cup bras in a wide variety of sizes up to 56I, now marked down to $38 and $42
It is true, there a lot of bra sales out there, especially, I expect, this weekend. For full figure bras, buying in stock, on sale bras at Bigger Bras, with their additional 20% discount might be the best money saver.
 

Only today, almost all minimizer bras are on sale at 30% off at Bare Necessities! That includes the popular Bali Satin Tracings bras, in sizes up to 36 to 44G and up to 46, to 50D. Today these large cup bras are just $22.40!

As well the Bali nipple concealing plus size bras below, for just $23.80!

You will also find this Glamorise large cup, large band size soft cup minimizer below at 30% off. It comes in sizes up to 36 to 46D to G and 48D, in black and white colors.

Shop the sale while it lasts and enjoy the savings.
 

Lavinia bras come in sizes 32 to 42B to H, and 44B to DDD and they are beautiful!
If you click on the Lavinia banner in the right column, the page it goes to shows you their current discounts in their right column; $10 off orders of $60, $20 off $100 and $50 off $200, all until 11/30/09!
I usually wear and write about Panache and other pricier large cup bras. Now that I have seen Lavinia bras, I really hope I am closer to an H or G cup size! Unlike the lovely Harlequin Hestia Balconnet large cup bras I wrote about earlier in the week, yet similar in design, this plus size shelf bra, by Lavinia, comes in full figure size up to 36 to 40B to DD/E. Even women who need B & C cup bras can enjoy this sexy bra style. They are $43 less than the beautiful Panache bras I wrote about on Wednesday!

Their best selling Balcony Push Up Bra below comes in sizes 34 to 40B to DDD, is just $49, and comes in black, white and beige, and has excellent reviews!

Need larger cup bras? Their Full figure lace plus size bra, underwire support comes in sizes 32D to H, 34B to G, to 40B to H and 42B to G! It has a unique menswear and lace look and it’s marked down to $51!
Their semi-sheer bra I have at the top of our Intimates page now is a full cup style that comes in sizes 36B to DD, 36B to D and 38 to 42B to DDD. It’s marked down $11 off. I like the review that says it is not only beautiful, but also comfortable.

Currently Lavinia is offering free shipping, and returns, in the US.

Better prices, Discounts and Free shipping! A good time to check out Lavinia Lingerie.
 
 

So far I have only found Panache’s new Harlequin Hestia Balconnet large cup bras at Her Room in their ivory color

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and this lingerie line’s beautiful basques below at Her Room, in ivory, and at Bravissimo, in black as well as ivory.

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Bravissimo’s band sizes include 28DD to G, both stores have the basques and Her Room the bra in sizes 30 to 38D to G!
Click on theses bras pictures above to shop for them at Her Room. If you are using US currency, you’ll like the basque’s price better at Bravissimo, $91, as opposed to Her Room’s $129. Sadly, Bravissimo does not have the bra yet…

The basque, in black, might be just the thing to wear under this sensuous looking gown by Igigi.

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I was playing around with a price comparison tool I put on our pages at Plus Size Women’s Clothing, it’s in the right column of all of its pages if you want to play with it too.

I clicked on Plus Size Lingerie, put either large cup, or full figure bras into their search engine and ran into a lingerie line I never heard of before:
Lavinia
They have large cup and plus size bras in sizes 32 to 44A to H.
They have lots of balcony push up bras and shelf bras in full figure sizes like this one below.

It comes in sizes 32 to 44D to E
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I was looking at how the side support of Fantasie’s new Elodi large cup bras are structured from the straps right into the sides of the cups. I get the impression these will give our breast that front and center, youthful perky look! It comes in sizes 30 - 38D to H, 40DD to G and 42DD to F.
Click on this bra’s picture below that takes you to Figleaves. Then mouse over, especially the right side, and check this new design out.

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What do you think?
Very much like the Savannah full figure bras in blue, whose picture you can also find at Figleaves, with the same side support structure, on its left side, in that particular picture.

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iconSadly, there are few reviews, available at Her Room so far. Both seem to have sizing problems. One does mention the front and center effect.
It seem, especially when you are both full figured and full busted, hard to avoid that matronly look. T
This style of side support in full busted bras just might work to ditch the matron form look!
Have any of you tried either of these bras? Or one with a similar style of side support? If so, does it do that front and center, perky breast effect I suspect it does? 
 

I have often though Victorian style, I take this to mean with lace up back corsets, especially ones that could triple as sexy lingerie, club wear and shapewear would be the best buy. Your point of being adjustable, for optimum comfort is well taken with regard to this too! Harpy, where do you get custom-sized corsets? I found Hips and Curves has several styles of steel boned corsets, this one below is cotton twill lined and surprising comfort is mentioned in its write up! One corset in this line just comes up to your underbust, keeping the whole bust issue out of it, which is likely best if you wear large cup bras, or if your bust is in a whole other size range than your waist & / or hips.

They have 2 others in this line, that look just great, but they are all in the $130 to $150 price range. A bit too steep for some, like me for instance…Hips and Curves does have a wide selection of much more affordable plus size corsets, many of which have lace up back, but I doubt many are cotton lined. Still good for cooler parts of the year or for erotic lingerie purposes just in the summer. They all look great! This jacquard with lace inset corset comes in sizes 38 to 50!

They also have a wide variety of leather and patent corsets and lingerie, just for full figure women. Where you will find many lace up styles of leather and patent corsets.
This zip-front leather corset also has a lace up back!

Currently, also a lace up, and more to my price range, this mere $62 - $56 lace up the back corset, with side hook closure corset comes in black, purple and royal in two size ranges. Click on its picture to go to it at Bigger Bras in sizes 38 to 44, then scroll down to find it in sizes 46 to 50.
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I have long though of some of Fredrick’s, (who have their corset / shapewear section together, likely where they belong), has some nice plus size corsets. Like their Renaissance corset, which comes in sizes up to 3XL, (Bust-54, Waist-46, Hips-54).

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This one comes in red and black too.
For a women like my self, who is full busted, I like the idea of shoulder straps, especially if I am not going to be wearing a bra I trust with a corset. This corset does have a lace up back. Judging from how high up its side is in the picture, it may have a moderate to high back too. All of which should help with bust support.
Even if your shapewear is not showing, if you know you look pretty underneath, don’t you feel better? Next to the naturally customizing effect of lace up back corsets, wearing pretty lingerie corsets for shaping will also help you feel beautiful from your skin out.

Monday, 19 December 2011

Plus Size Models Syedi Ki Plus Size Model

What I mean is, they should find models that represent all of the different demographics that women represent, and portray each of these women in the most beautiful light possible. Because wouldn’t it be great if the next generation of girls had less inherent body-hatred as they grow up? Wouldn’t it be great if women were just considered beautiful because women are inherently beautiful, and they are beautiful in all different shapes, sizes, and colors, and at every age.
Model Tara Lynn
So, if any magazine editors happen to be reading this post, I am pleading with you to show women in magazines who represent average women as the beauty standard. And let me define the word “average”. What I mean is average height and average weight.
Model Barbara Brickner
I am in my thirties now and I have had two children. I lost my pregnancy weight after both of my children. But, after my second son was born, I have entered a yo-yo dieting cycle. Whereas I used to be able to lose weight and maintain my weight, I am no longer able to do that. I lose my pregnancy weight and then I gain it all back as soon as I go on a weight maintenance program. My son is only 2 years old and I have bounced between 155 pounds to 125 pounds and back THREE TIMES NOW. It is becoming extremely frustrating because each time I start my diet again, weight comes off more slowly and it seems like I am getting hungrier. And even though I am not skinny, I am still as interested in fashion and looking pretty as I ever was.
And it would be great if magazines showed women who are my size so I can get ideas about what looks good on my body type.
I am not stick thin and I want clothes that flatter me. The last thing I want to look like is a frump. So, please, please feature models of average weight or bigger, because my body will no longer allow me to be as thin as I was prior to having children.
And, I can’t speak for you other ladies, but as hard as I try, I can no longer look like this…
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And I can’t look like this either…
You know, my body just won’t go there. But, aside from that, really, is this the look that we want to show to young girls? And do we really want more women dying from eating disorders every year? Does showing women this thin on the cat walks really help society?
Then there’s the issue of impressing men. Do men really want to have their wives and girlfriends and the mothers of their children to look like that?
The definitive answer is NO.
How can I say that, you ask? Well, Microsoft released a short article with the list of the top 10 searched women in the entire world for 2010. Who do you suppose was the most searched woman in the entire world for 2010?
Was it Heidi Klum? NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Heidi, you didn’t even make it into the top 10 of 2010!!!!!
Was it any ONE of the Sports Illustrated models? WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who was it then…?!!!!
Drum roll please….
It was…..
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That’s right, it was Miss Kim Kardashian.
Kim Kardashian was the most searched woman in the entire world for 2010.
And, I am going to have to go out on a limb here and say that she was searched because people find her extremely attractive. I doubt they were searching her because they find her body hideous.
Nope, it seems men were searching photos of her because they think she’s smokin’ hot. And women were likely searching her photos in secret because deep down they might just want to celebrate the fact that they have a body, like Kim’s, that is not rail-thin.
So, the bottom line is, magazine editors, if you are listening, please, please, feature more women in 2011 that represent women who are actually able to eat a french fry here and there.
What do the rest of you women think? Am I off base? What would you personally like to see more of in magazines for 2011? Who do you believe is under-represented in magazines.

Model Katie H.
When I was a teenager and well into my twenties, my life was ruled completely by the number on the tape measure. I remember that I was always trying to reach that perfect magical number: 36-24-36. I worked out 5 times a week. I ate salad for lunch everyday. I cut carbs. I obsessively counted every calorie and lived on small tubs of fat-free yogurt for breakfast. Many times I went to bed so screaming hungry that it felt like my stomach was going to eat it’s way OUT of my body just so it could get to the fridge and find some food.
I truly do not know how I managed to will myself to sleep every night with such incredible hunger pains in my stomach. And, after all that, I never reached 36-24-36. At the height of working out and restricting calories, I reached a size 4, but my measurements still remained 38-29-40. I felt defeated. I felt fat. I felt forever ugly. Because in my mind, you could only reach beauty by fitting your body into that magical 26-24-36 number. As long as I had such a wide waist and big hips, I would always be second rate, a “beauty wannabe” but never truly pretty. And this thought drove me to more hours at the gym and weight loss products such as Hydroxycut. One night after calorie restriction, lots of HydroxyCut, and a hour on the treadmill, I fainted off on an Elliptical Trainer in a university gym. That was embarrassing when all those strangers crowded around me to help but it didn’t deter me one bit.
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Model Krystal Renn
Looking back, I still can’t believe I was that thin and toned. At the time I felt huge, but looking back at pictures, I can’t believe I once looked that good. Because, at the time, it was the 1990′s and the height of the heroine-chic look and the Kate Moss pre-pubescent girl look. My dress size was a size 4 and I still felt terribly self-conscious.
Model Liis Windischmann
But, luckily, in about 2007, we started to see a noticeable use in magazines of images of plus-sized models. And they were being featured in mainstream fashion editorials. These fashion editorials had always been the domain of ultra-thin models. So, there was a small breakthrough.
Model Erin Tinsley
I remember in college and in my twenties, people would make comments like, “Oh, so and so, is pretty for a fat girl”. There was always that qualifier that so and so was fat. No one could just say, “So and So is so pretty”. It was as if they were surprised that someone who had curves could also be pretty. Because curves ultimately disqualified all women from being beautiful. Only waif-like girls could be beautiful.
Model Katie H.
I remember when the Sir Mix-A-Lot song “Baby Got Back” came out. And the video was hilarious. But, he made his point, loud and clear, without mincing words, that he wanted a girl with luscious curves. That was in 1993 and I would blast that song and dance around the room.
Model Katy Jensen
But, it still took a while for that message to really start taking hold in popular culture. Really, it took almost 15 years for magazines to show that a round behind was coveted. Because when I was younger, I was trying EVERYTHING to get rid of my rear end. But, now tad-dah, my rear end is suddenly “in” and now women are undergoing plastic surgery to get butt implants. No joke!! Luckily, we can thank J. Lo., Beyonce, and Shakira for helping change the beauty standard. These women weren’t going to accept comments like, “Yeah, she’s hot but she needs to loose about 20 pounds”. Heck no! They capitalized on their curvaceous bodies and allowed those very bodies to sky-rocket them to fame.
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And, this is definitely a move in the right direction because beauty should not be so narrowly defined. And plus-sized models should no longer be categorized as “plus size” when they are featured in magazines. It should be that they are featured in Glamour or Vogue to the same extent that extra thin models are featured. We should be able to look through these magazines and see a reflection of all women, to some extent.

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She is a 19-year-old Canadian plus-size model and actress whose beauty, confidence, and talent have earned her professional acclaim, and have made her a role model for a generation of full-figured girls.

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Toccara Elaine Jones
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Jones has modeled for Ashley Stewart, New York and Company, Target, Essence magazine, Vibe magazine, King magazine and Smooth magazine. Jones is currently a host for BET’s game show series Take the Cake. She made a cameo appearance in Trina’s music video for the song “I Got a Thang For You”.
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Johanna Dray
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Super sexy Dray is a plus-size model based in Paris and notably appeared in John Galliano’s ‘Everybody is Beautiful’ Spring 2006 prêt-à-porter show and subsequent French Vogue editorial of the collection, wearing what turned out to be Galliano’s best-selling dress of the show. Dray has appeared in editorials for Elle France and Gala magazine. She has worked with some of Europe’s leading photographers such as Nick Knight and Steve Hiatt, and with European clients such as Marina Rinaldi and Giani Forte.
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Charlotte Coyle
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A plus-size model from Derry, Northern Ireland. She’s has appeared in ads for Torrid and Marks & Spencer, in an editorial in the U.K. edition of Good Housekeeping magazine, and starred in a Channel 4 documentary titled “Fat Beauty Contest” in which she organized Britain’s first beauty contest for plus-size women.
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Crystal Renn
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Renn suffered from anorexia and became a plus-size model after regaining her health, and has notched up some remarkable successes in the few years she has been working at a larger size; multiple editorials in each of Vogue’s U.S., Italian, French and German editions, and an appearance on the catwalk of Jean-Paul Gaultier for his Spring 2006 prêt-à-porter collection.

Maggie Yumi Brown
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Maggie Yumi Brown got her big break when, in November 2006, she won “Tyra’s Thick and Sexy Top Model Contest” on The Tyra Banks Show. Her title included modeling contract with Wilhelmina Models, a 1000$ from Lane Bryant, and photo shoot for an editorial in Bombshell Magazine coming to print in 2008. Since winning the Thick and Sexy Top Model contest, she has been featured on various covers of magazines such as the December 2006 issue of Bombshell magazine.
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Natalie Laughlin
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She was the first plus-size model to have an advertisement feature on a billboard in New York’s Times Square, an honor repeated four times by client Liz Claiborne. Laughlin was also the first plus-size model to appear in the U.S. edition of Glamour magazine.
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Jill Scott
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Lovely Jill is a three-time Grammy Award-winning American R&B, soul, and jazz singer, songwriter, actress and poet. In 2007, Scott made her theatrical debut in the films Hounddog (as Big Mama Thornton) and in Tyler Perry’s feature film, Why Did I Get Married? That same year her third studio album, The Real Thing: Words and Sounds Vol. 3, was released on September 25, 2007.
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Whitney Thompson
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Beautiful Whitney is the first plus-size model to win the reality-based TV show America’s Next Top Model. Thompson began her modeling career at age 15 in her home state of Florida, appearing several times on the cover of her local “Jacksonville” community magazine. Thompson is 5’10″, has declared herself to fluctuate between U.S. sizes 8-10, and was 20 years of age at the time of her appearances on ANTM. Thompson will be the first plus-size model to appear on the cover of Seventeen magazine, on the July 2008 issue.
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Queen Latifah
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Musician, Actor and Model, Queen Latifah is a a force to be reckoned with. Besides movies, TV and even her own talk show, she is a celebrity spokesperson for Cover Girl cosmetics and Curvation ladies underwear among others. Latifah is one of two hip-hop artists to receive an Academy Award nomination in an acting category (Best Supporting Actress, Chicago, 2002). The other is Will Smith. Go Figure.

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